Blood Wind Ninjitsu's tier placement

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  1. Shana

    Shana Creator of Heartseeker, SF, IAS, BD & CC

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    I've been biased towards BWN being the top scroll of the meta, but it is now considered overrated.

    Our current tier list in this forum (haven't been updated since forever)
    http://forums.playredfox.com/index.php?threads/scroll-tiers.1576/


    SS Tier

    Sage Master


    A+ Tier
    Blood Wind Ninjitsu
    Zin Taekwondo
    Zin Karate
    Hitman
    Hawkhunter
    Shoot Boxing
    Muay Boran
    Rage
    Dark Haze Ninjutsu
    Lightning
    Kingpin
    Shaolin Tiger
    Redemption
    White Fang
    Extreme Taekwondo
    The Wind
    Electro

    Note: Yes, there is no Hunter, and other new scrolls in here. This is a very outdated list. We need to update it



    It is common for people to see Shoot Boxing, Hitman, and ZinTKD as the try-hard worthy scrolls. BWN is also one of the few boxed scrolls that doesn't get banned in 1vs1s.

    There's been a lot of debate whether attack speed matters more than blockstun/hitstun. I feel this is where BWN's discussion fits in. Does attack speed matter more than hitstun/blockstun?

    BWN's first punch and first kick is very slow compared to the other top tiers, but has the one of the highest blockstun/hitstun, if not the highest in the game. BWN is also considered to have one of the safest kits, or the safest kit in the game

    Off topic: Are we going to have an updated tier list anytime soon?
     
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  2. tamirtov

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    Blood Wind ninjitsu > Zin Taekwondo? :eek:
     
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  3. LolDemoGames

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    Bwn has never been considered overrated lmfaoo
     
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    Nah attack speed doesn't really matter in most cases but if u play safe and avoid first punch pressure u can counter attack and start locking them in hitstun that they can't escape that's the beauty of bwn
     
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    You're totally forgetting about Dragon!

    WTF why ain't you mention anything about it

    Where's the love for all the Dragon Users !!!

    :oops:
     
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    Shut your dumb ass up
     
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    The newgen isn't wrong

    If you use dragon you probably still have training wheels and guard rails on your bed
     
  9. Shana

    Shana Creator of Heartseeker, SF, IAS, BD & CC

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    I usually bring up BWN as the best scroll under sage master, but I get flamed for it recently. Many people told me that scrolls like Shoot boxing, Hitman, ZinTKD feel more OP than BWN
     
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    Shana Creator of Heartseeker, SF, IAS, BD & CC

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    I usually see Dragon placed in A tier, but it's bumped down to A- tier for some reason. It's probably because Dragon's mindgames is very limited to stopping at the second kick. KKP is a counterbreak point, and KKK is unsafe on block. The punches are great, but the kicks have better followups, so it's often not used much.

    A Tier
    Shaolin Crane
    El Luchador
    Mystic Arts
    Stinger
    Praying Mantis
    Telos
    Tempest
    Inferno
    Wing Chun
    Born
    Kenpo
    Blackout
    Gentleman/Casanova
    Muhon's Ninjutsu
    Shaolin Snake

    A- Tier

    Dragon
    Fearless
    Cyclone
    Leviathan
    Stalker
    Drunken Master
    Volador
    Agent
    Azteca
    Capoeira
    Sumo
    Soulless
    Pencak Silat
    Another Serpent​


    It feels OP when a pro uses it though, cuz of Dragon's great hitboxes on the kicks, and easy advanced nanmu.


    But the tier placements is always changing, and I feel this is why the tier list should be updated asap
     
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    If Galderia or w/e his name is decides to come back but that's unlikely
     
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    BWN hit stun and block stun is deadly but I dont know how i feel about putting A teir scrolls in order of which one is more deadly when they're all deadly and pretty easy to use.

    I feel electro and especially vola also should be higher in the A teir range tho.
     
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    Because those scrolls are significantly easier to use than BWN and are more popular. Additionally, more people are willing to use these scrolls in order to copy others. So many people use Hitman because of Lambo and Donny. Like do you guys even have a mind of your own? Zin Tkd has been a fan favorite. Shoot=Autumn. BWN is underlooked because not that many people have mastered it. Most of the people that know about how deadly BWN is are true fighting gamers. Vale is arguably an A tier scroll as well.
     
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    -Hawkhunter isn't A+ tier because it's not as fast nor as efficient as ZinTKD.
    -Muay Boran isn't A+ tier because, like Hitman, it can only kill you going forward but unlike Hitman it utterly lacks it's obese stun levels, trap games, and combo versatility to put it in the A+ tier. Boran should be A tier somewhere underneath Blackout.
    -Shaolin Tiger has too many spots in it's combos where it becomes unsafe to be any higher than A tier. I consider Tiger to be one of my best scrolls but it's just not a ZinKarate, Rage or Shoot Boxing.
    -The Wind is barely A- tier. Don't get me wrong it's still as explosive as the day it was released but the scroll doesn't play itself and it's damage output is almost 200+ lower than almost every A+ tier scroll. The only time I'd ever agree The Wind is an A+ tier scroll is if @KDStylez was using it.
    -White Fang has two major flaws one being, like Muay Boran, White Fang can only kill you going forward. The second issue is that it has less OP stun than Shoot Boxing despite having it's potential killshots limited to just forward. Id place it near the top of A tier because of it's damage output.
    -Electro is an A- tier scroll at best. It may have some decent combo finishers but the stats on it's individual punches and kicks really **** at everything except being fast and even then it isn't faster than ZinTKD so theres no reason it should even be in the same tier as it.

    You know what should be A+ tier? Wing Chun.
     
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    Thank you, I got a good laugh.
     
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    Stalker is the best scroll ever so put it in SS
     
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    How is it the best when capoeira is better?
     
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