Pvp Can not stand it

Oh come one. That's not the answer to my comments. And what the hell is this site gizmodo? It surely irrelevant that's why it takes 40% of course contents in basics of psychology. Ok, lets admit it. You actually don't know anything about Sigmund Freud or his psychoanalytic theory. Nor do you know anything about psychology. You just go around, search on the internet the phrase which you think could be right and bring in the article. Sigmund Freud's theory is psychoanalytic theory. I don't know why you are arguing with me really, when you don't know a **** about psychology. All you did was went and bring in that ******* gizmodo post which surely is a Freud hater. Did you even read the comments I made in my previous post Anger vs Aggression, Catharsis vs Sublimation( Sublimation is what I mean by channeling)? You are now suffering from escalation of commitment, nothing else. If nothing else, now you are refuting an established school of thought in psychology. Buddy, you need doctor, not me. Because I am firm on my opinion because I know about it. YOU CLEARLY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR PHRASE SEARCHING ON INTERNET AND BRINGING IN SOURCES WHICH ARE MOSTLY IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION TRYING TO CONFUSE ME. AND taking almost an hour to do that lmao. And are you sure humanistic psychology has nothing to do with your argument? If anything, I at-least pity you.

 

How would you know it's irrelevant when you obviously didn't bother to read it?
I know about CURRENT psychology. Freud was around 70+ years ago. Shits moved on, get with the program grandpa.
I search for things that have to do with the topic. That's called doing research.

I know a hell of a lot more about it than you. You're stuck in the early 1900s.

Freud's is ONE theory. And it's not one anyone takes seriously any more. He did his part to lay a foundation, but things have moved on. His ideas are too simple. Too biased. Too unscientific.

Right, the title is "Why Freud Still Matters, When He Was Wrong About Almost Everything." That sure sounds like a Freud hater.

Yes I read everything you wrote. Most of it is nonsense and ignorant. The rest is outdated, just like Freud.

The crux of your BS is that you think catharsis works, and that by being aggressive in a game, you are preventing being aggressive in the real world.

MODERN research shows that is false. 50+ years worth of research FYI. The Pressure cooker model of aggression has been disproven. People who road rage don't get rid of aggression, they just stay pissed off longer. People who use boxing don't release aggression, they perpetuate it long after the cause that triggered it.

Acting aggressively has not only been PROVEN to perpetuate aggressive thinking and behavior, it has been shown that people who engage in aggressive behavior are more like to do so more often and frequently than those who refrain from acting out. To the point that people can become addicted to anger and aggression.

 

GO DIE IN SOME GUTTER.YOU DESERVE AN AWARD FOR MISINFORMATION. OK,If I only assume for a second that psychoanalytic theory is incorrect or implausible, give me an alternative theory that actually refutes that part of Freud analysis which I am using. Go ahead. As far as I remember, this discussion was not about whether aggression does that or that, or whether its socially acceptable or not. Why do you keep bringing it? Give me a statement that aggression itself, is not a primary human impulse, behavior or trait. Its the tenth post you are repeating the same thing again and again. Better just copy and paste the previous post to save my time at-least.And really you don't know anything about psychology. Freud is criticized for reasons other than you are trying to use it for.And there is absolutely no theory that is not criticized. Rage, aggression, anger, catharsis, sublimation: come before you clarify their difference and concepts. If I make a statement you say GIVE ME RESEARCHED ONE, IF I GIVE YOU RESEARCHED ONE, YOU SAY THE RESEARCH IS WRONG. RESEARCH IS WRONG BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS OF PSYCHOANALYTIC THEORY ARE WRONG BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. Next time, give me a reference from refuted JOURNAL. I TOLD YOU THAT I AM SPEAKING FROM ROBERT FELDMAN BOOK. You should give me a reputed article for consideration. All these sources you are bring, which are nevertheless useless for the purpose of this discussion, can't even be used in a high quality research. I gave you support for my argument from neurosciences perspective(DONT YOU DARE FORGET THAT) as well as psychoanalytic perspective. All you are doing is playing with words. AND DON'T YOU DARE SAY THAT NEUROSCIENCES PERSPECTIVE IS 70 YEARS OLD TOO.

 

Do you know how you can win a debate?

 

As much as I would like to do this, this guy really turned me off. He seems like a specialist in ruining other people's day. He is talking about aggression this, aggression that, when he actually is quintessentially the stimulus that cause people to express aggression through anger. He does not accept diversity of opinion. I, actually, know right now that there is at-least one theory in psychology that supports his point while there are others that support mine. However, now that the competition is on whose knowledge is higher in psychology, I will let him search internet for hours and hours to see if he can find that or not. He is supposedly knowledgeable about psychology, yet, he hasn't been able to present that.

 

Getting mad over the internet, you have been defeated.

 

I know right. Its absurd how I have wasted six hours and my holiday over this matter. I had an important test tomorrow lol which I totally forgot..

 

Acidhedz I have actually understood you now. From your aggression and competitive nature its highly implausible that you don't want to PVP. You actually can't stand loosing. However, you don't have much money to spend on a p2w game either. So, your only option is to rally against PVP idea to prove to yourself that you don't need PVP and that you just want PVE.

 

Putting everything in bold and not using spacing to make things easier to read doesn't make you look more credible. It just makes you look like someone who is banking everything on no one actually reading though your wall of text.

Temper, temper. Looks like I'm right. You just can't control your aggressive impulses.

At no point have I been talking about psychoanalytic theory. I have been talking about the theory of catharsis. In fact, nothing you have said refutes what I've said about the core reason people engage in PvP. They do it in a game, because they can't do it in real life. What you're saying just backs that up. I never said Freud was wrong about everything, but he is certainly wrong about catharsis.

What we have come to a logger head on, is whether or not this behavior is beneficial.
All the research that has been done into catharsis shows that it does not ease the base impulse, it reinforces it. Making PvP anti-social and destructive behavior.
Are you familiar with The Greater Internet F***wad Theory? A joke, but one that hits to the core of the issue. Give SOME people anonymity and an audience, and suddenly they become total "f***wads". Or sociopaths, using jargon. PvP is the same thing, just a different facet. Give people the anonymity of being inside a game, where there are no consequences, and they will happily engage in anti-social behavior. Which enforces future anti-social behavior.

Many people will not behave that way, even when they can. Because they have self-control, and/or are part of the evolution of humanity that is phasing out those kinds of destructive impulses.
Open-PvP creates an environment where consequence free anti-social behavior is not only allowed, it's rewarded. There is nothing healthy about that.

Aggression is not a primary impulse, it is just one of many impulses humans experience. Regardless, it is a totally irrelevant topic, and has been from the start.

Aggression being an impulse, of any kind, does not make it acceptable behavior. Pissing is an impulse too, that doesn't make it okay to do it where ever I want.
Playing PvP isn't keeping you from being out on the streets, laws and accountability are. All that says is that at some level you would like to be out on the streets attacking people, but you can't, so you do it in games where there are no consequences instead. That doesn't make it any more acceptable.
I said it APPEALS to all the is most petty and worst in humanity. Nothing you've said refutes that, all you've done is show that I'm right by becoming more and more hostile when I don't just take your word for things, and tell you how you're full of ****.

You haven't said anything to support your argument. You've pointed to research that shows how neurochemistry is related to aggression. That doesn't prove it is a "primary" impulse. Just that it is an impulse that exists. It also doesn't prove that there is any benefit to indulging it.

So, Psychology Today isn't credible at all?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...01303/internet-ranting-and-the-myth-catharsis

Or, the Association for Psychological Science?
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/media/myths/myth_30.cfm

http://psp.sagepub.com/content/28/6/724.abstract

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bbushman/bbs99.pdf

https://illinois.edu/lb/files/2009/03/26/9293.pdf

http://neoacademic.com/2010/05/19/playing-violent-video-games-for-a-release-that-never-comes/

Wrong again. I have never liked pvp, and even when I could afford to spend money on games, I never spent any for the purposes of pvp.

I consider competing with other people to be a fools errand. As an artist, I only care about competing with myself. But even if I did want to compete with people, games have no meaningful substance to offer any kind of worthwhile competition. You can push buttons good... So what?

My issue with pvp is simple. I don't like people being able to push me into things I don't want to do, and since this is just a game, there is no reason they should be able to.

 

Going completely off the thread topic...

 

It's not my fault he decided to drag things into a pointless debate over the nature of aggression, and refuses to accept that all the research that's been done into catharsis (gong back to the 60s) proves that doing things like venting, hitting a pillow, or doing PvP, actually make you more angry and aggressive, not less.

If you PK because you had a bad day, it doesn't actually help. It doesn't do anything about what's caused you to become aggressive. So all you do is perpetuate your negative feelings.
On top of that, you have now likely caused further negative feelings in those who you have PKed. Causing them to become aggressive, and likely to seek out revenge. But that doesn't help, because it just keeps the thoughts of your actions fresh in their mind, perpetuating their aggression even longer.

It's a viscous cycle.

On the flip side of the PvP coin, those who like being attacked.
If you are looking for "thrills" in a game, you are doing it because you feel a lack of thrill in your life. The game is a stand in, and a poor one at that. It will never satisfy the core desire. Even worse, it can lead to escalation of sensation seeking behavior. Instead of dealing with the core issue, the feeling that your life isn't exciting enough, you are trying to use a game to band-aid the problem away. It's a defense mechanism called displacement.

I have no problem with duels and other forms of healthy, sporting pvp. But open-pvp is based in anti-social behavior, and I would like to see those who resort to it find a way to deal with their issues better.
On your own time and dime. I shouldn't have to put up with you, just because you can't find a less aggressive and anti-social way to deal with your s***.

Further, games that use this sort of pvp are exploiting these very negative things for gain. Consider any MOBA. The levels of toxicity on those games is through the roof, and the companies are making a fortune giving those people an environment to act out, and indulge their every anti-social impulse. It's repugnant.
And no one takes this stuff seriously because "it's just a game".

 

STFU Fathedz

 

The first paragraph might be the dumbest thing ever...was pvp part of the study or did you add it in because it goes along with your argument that people who play a game a certain way are sociopaths? As I type this I am out for dinner with my kids and not plotting to kill people by the way.

You also quoted a song by Rage Against the Machine in one your replies to me. They are known for aggressive music, does that count as that making you an aggressive individual or is it somehow non applicable?

 

No it wasn't, but what you are doing is called special pleading. There have been many studies done, based on various criteria. ALL have found that the "pressure cooker" model of anger and aggression is wrong.
Doing something like boxing, or PvP, does not release pent up aggression or anger, it makes you think about what made you feel that way in the first place. Instead of finding a healthy way to deal with the emotions, you are dwelling on them. Which just makes you even more angry and aggressive.
And since the way you are trying to deal with it feels good, you are also creating a reward system that encourages you to get angry more often.

ONCE AGAIN, I said PvP is sociopathic behavior. Do you even know what sociopathy is? It means having a lack of empathy. Not caring about other people, and how they feel. Using them to achieve one's desires without caring how it affects them.

When you PvP you are going around attacking people vicariously through their characters, for fun, without caring what effect your actions have on them. That is sociopathic behavior. It's called selective sociopathy. An extreme example would be Hitler, who was very warm and caring towards children and animals, but also tried to commit genocide and would have anyone killed who got in his way. He had selective sociopathy, because he found ways to not think of them as real people. The same is true of racists, sexists, and all others who marginalize, demonize and hate others for no other reason than they exist.

You use the excuse "it's a game" to become selectively sociopathic towards the people playing. Doubly so towards those of us who don't want to pvp because we're "just carebears." Substitute carebear for the N word, or any other derogatory slur and it's the same psychology. It's a way to make us into something other than a person. Which makes it easier to become selectively sociopathic towards us.
By your own admission you like to PvP PCs because they aren't AI controlled, but at the same turn you deny the emotions of the people who are controlling them. You can't have it both ways.

That it's a game doesn't matter, because it's not a matter of being able to tell fantasy from reality, it's a matter of emotional and psychological stimulation. When someone cries at a sad movie, it doesn't matter if it's not real. They are still getting the same stimulation. When you play PvP you are getting the same stimulation as going out and attacking people. You, and other pvpers, have said it yourselves... the AI controlled mobs aren't good enough. You need "the most dangerous game." And you don't want it in a fair fight on equal terms, you want to behave in a predatory fashion.
Games with open-pvp provide a consequence free environment for you to engage in this sort of anti-social behavior.
And it doesn't get rid of those urges, it reinforces them.

There is also the aspect of open-pvp turning what would normally be co-op based organizations of players, bands and leagues, into gangs.



False equivalence.
RATM do songs about the things that piss them off, that is direct confrontation and assertiveness. They aren't trying to use something else to get rid of their anger, they are confronting it. But not in a destructive way.
They channel their anger into something constructive, their music.
There is nothing constructive about playing video games, particularly when what you are doing in them is destructive and anti-social.
You're also ignoring that they do songs about social issues and inequality.
If you think what they do is equivalent to you attacking people in a game for kicks...

 

STFU special needs beef burger hedz

 

You are still at it? It seems like you don't have anything else to do beside writing long-posts on this forum to overwhelm people. Do you think anyone has time to read such long posts, which for you are a norm rather than exception? And its actually quite fascinating how you are so narcissistic or are you by chance a Masochist?

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You only just realized?

 

U can get ignoble in 1day by killing people in LD when it was pvp.Nothing special killing low lvl in CC and getting ignoble xD.I bet he aint even in icy because he will get pked.

 

I like look of karma title. If you spend 16h per day looking at the screen I want to look it nice. Nice looking = better gameplay = more hours spend = higher level. But that's just me. Im stupid.

That's true Im not in icy Im in tibet

 

Same way you say attacking video game avatars is on hand with psychological studies from the 60s?
I am not "doing" anything other than using a feature in a game. You are applying psychological evaluations based on nothing other than assumptions. You have no credentials. You are trying to inflate your ego by analyzing something that has no impact on a persons life but are humanizing it for...I don't even know why. Hitler? You ******* serious? You claim that you play games to wind down then why do you care about a small part of it? What level is your character by the way?
If being called "carebear" is similar to using the "N" word then the old cartoon is a civil rights series. False equivalence. Although you freely use the terms pvp brats, morons, pea brains, etc... but let me guess that's somehow different?

Also though being a fan doesnt having the phrase Arm the Homeless on a guitar doesn't seem destructive? Obviously not a call for peace.